JUSTIN REGARDING DT ADOPTION

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Posted by ANNIE LANCASTER-TORTOISEAID INT'L on August 01, 2001 at 23:30:13:

In Reply to: Re: Yes, and NO, You still need a permit NP posted by LORI GREEN on August 01, 2001 at 16:57:08:

HI JUSTIN,

PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT TORTOISEAID@TORTOISEAID.ORG
I POSSIBLY HAVE AN OUT OF STATE MALE DT LOOKING FOR NEW PPL TO CARE FOR HIM PROPERLY.

ANNIE LANCASTER
DIRECTOR, TORTOISEAID INTERNATIONAL
HTTP://TORTOISEAID.ORG

PS JUST A NOTE...IT IS ILLEGAL TO CHARGE A CENT TO PLACE ANY DESERT TORTOISE, THEY CANNOT BE SOLD, BARTERED, ETC. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. THOSE WHO HOLD F&G PERMITS KNOW THIS.

WE CHARGE NO ADOPTION FEES, IF PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A DONATION TOWARD THE CARE OF OTHER INCOMING ANIMALS, GREAT!

: THERESA,
: If I want to use caps I will use caps.

: You as in Theresa can not legally place a desert tortoise. Even if you find one that needs adoption, if you are in Texas and the tortoise is in another state you have to work third party and have that person place them. This is why Turtle Homes has the alliance.
: Not everyone in the state can place them either (especially in California). The person adopting one needs to have permits and inspections or they are in violation of the law. The person placing them needs to have a memorandum of understanding (M.O.U) and other permits from F&W saying they can do it.
: Turtle Homes works with 4 organizations that can legally place them in California. In fact Tortoise Aid just placed 11 of them with the help of Kern County CTTC this week. There are more available to the right homes.
:
: Justin,
: Please put in your application with Turtle Homes. I have already spoken to the agency who has them on your behalf. Contact me at llgrn1987@aol.com and we will discuss the situation further in private. BTW, we don't charge an adoption fee.

: Lori Green
: Director, Turtle Homes Rescue
: www.turtlehomes.org

: Lori,
: : Please dont use caps on the forum.
: : Will you explain what you mean by 'you' needing a permit? (Who is "you"? Because I dont have one) If the animal was in a state where they are not native, my understanding is that they woudlnt need a permit.
: : Btt that having been said, do you mean that if I find one who needs a home, that Justin would need a permit? Is this b/c they are native there?
: : Thanks im looking for clarification, thats all as there are animals here that come through wildlife rehab and it wouldnt suprise me one bit if one of these guys showed up. Also I get call and mails from ppl looking to rehome animals but dont want a contract other then that the animal would come back to them should there eve be that need.
: : If that happened, my preference would of course be to adopt the animal to a native state.
: : Perhaps I should get that book regarding laws from John Levell, huh?
: : thanks,
: : me :)

: :
: : : : :
: : : : : Justin,
: : : : : If someone has babies in another state where they are not native, can they legaly adopt to you?
: : : : : tcc

: : : : : : History: Growing up as a kid, my grandparents owned and bred desert torts. After I moved away from my home in AZ, my grandparents gave them away. Now I have returned to AZ, I have a love for tortoises and currenlty have 24 of them covering 9 different species.
: : : : : : Yesterday: I made my first phone call trying to adopt a baby or adult Desert Tortoise. I read all the care sheets availlable and pretty much know what I am doing. Unfortunately no one answered the phone at the agency. Message left.
: : : : : : Today: Phone call returned, adoption official wants to inspect my home and yard (No Problem) official informed that I own 24 other tortoise, her response "That might be a problem". I was then given the impression that if I had never owned a tortoise before, I would stand a better chance of getting one than I do now. Hmmm. So I guess they would rather place the animal with novices, then with someone who knows what they are doing. Official tells me that I must maintain my other 24 torts inside and "my" desert tortoise outside. That seems a little excessive, my yard is over 3000 square feet. So now I am guessing I will not be able to adopt a new tortoise, can anyone explain to me why the fish and wildlife rules are so ridiculous.

: : : : : : Justin

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: HI JUSTIN, : PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT TORTOISEAID@TORTOISEAID.ORG : I POSSIBLY HAVE AN OUT OF STATE MALE DT LOOKING FOR NEW PPL TO CARE FOR HIM PROPERLY. : ANNIE LANCASTER : DIRECTOR, TORTOISEAID INTERNATIONAL : HTTP://TORTOISEAID.ORG : PS JUST A NOTE...IT IS ILLEGAL TO CHARGE A CENT TO PLACE ANY DESERT TORTOISE, THEY CANNOT BE SOLD, BARTERED, ETC. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. THOSE WHO HOLD F&G PERMITS KNOW THIS. : WE CHARGE NO ADOPTION FEES, IF PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A DONATION TOWARD THE CARE OF OTHER INCOMING ANIMALS, GREAT! : : : THERESA, : : If I want to use caps I will use caps. : : You as in Theresa can not legally place a desert tortoise. Even if you find one that needs adoption, if you are in Texas and the tortoise is in another state you have to work third party and have that person place them. This is why Turtle Homes has the alliance. : : Not everyone in the state can place them either (especially in California). The person adopting one needs to have permits and inspections or they are in violation of the law. The person placing them needs to have a memorandum of understanding (M.O.U) and other permits from F&W saying they can do it. : : Turtle Homes works with 4 organizations that can legally place them in California. In fact Tortoise Aid just placed 11 of them with the help of Kern County CTTC this week. There are more available to the right homes. : : : : Justin, : : Please put in your application with Turtle Homes. I have already spoken to the agency who has them on your behalf. Contact me at llgrn1987@aol.com and we will discuss the situation further in private. BTW, we don't charge an adoption fee. : : Lori Green : : Director, Turtle Homes Rescue : : www.turtlehomes.org : : Lori, : : : Please dont use caps on the forum. : : : Will you explain what you mean by 'you' needing a permit? (Who is "you"? Because I dont have one) If the animal was in a state where they are not native, my understanding is that they woudlnt need a permit. : : : Btt that having been said, do you mean that if I find one who needs a home, that Justin would need a permit? Is this b/c they are native there? : : : Thanks im looking for clarification, thats all as there are animals here that come through wildlife rehab and it wouldnt suprise me one bit if one of these guys showed up. Also I get call and mails from ppl looking to rehome animals but dont want a contract other then that the animal would come back to them should there eve be that need. : : : If that happened, my preference would of course be to adopt the animal to a native state. : : : Perhaps I should get that book regarding laws from John Levell, huh? : : : thanks, : : : me :) : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Justin, : : : : : : If someone has babies in another state where they are not native, can they legaly adopt to you? : : : : : : tcc : : : : : : : History: Growing up as a kid, my grandparents owned and bred desert torts. After I moved away from my home in AZ, my grandparents gave them away. Now I have returned to AZ, I have a love for tortoises and currenlty have 24 of them covering 9 different species. : : : : : : : Yesterday: I made my first phone call trying to adopt a baby or adult Desert Tortoise. I read all the care sheets availlable and pretty much know what I am doing. Unfortunately no one answered the phone at the agency. Message left. : : : : : : : Today: Phone call returned, adoption official wants to inspect my home and yard (No Problem) official informed that I own 24 other tortoise, her response "That might be a problem". I was then given the impression that if I had never owned a tortoise before, I would stand a better chance of getting one than I do now. Hmmm. So I guess they would rather place the animal with novices, then with someone who knows what they are doing. Official tells me that I must maintain my other 24 torts inside and "my" desert tortoise outside. That seems a little excessive, my yard is over 3000 square feet. So now I am guessing I will not be able to adopt a new tortoise, can anyone explain to me why the fish and wildlife rules are so ridiculous. : : : : : : : Justin

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