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Posted by Heather on February 01, 2001 at 23:00:58:

Ed,
I will not make jump down your throat and assume that you are commenting on my teaching style or methods. I am hoping that you wouldn�t assume that an occasional confrontational attitude on lists/posts defines all there is to know about me, especially that of my profession. Adults and children are two different animals, my friend. If you want me to list my methods and explain my philosophy of education, then I will email you off-list. Whilst we are on the subject, here is a review exercise, as my posts were obviously unclear.

Did I post that I thought turtles or animals should never be in the classroom?
Did I say all turtles or animals should be banned?
Did I say that all pet stores were bad?
Did I say teachers should not purchase turtles? Did I say that the 4-inch law is a good one? Did I say more control is better?
Do you know that I don't keep animals in our (not my) classroom?
No.

I posted my confrontational response based on one thing.
I posted that I had visited Prehistoric Pets Fountain Valley. The experience was terrible and the owner saw nothing wrong.
I never returned. I stated that I found it hard to be sympathetic to a store such as that.
I was then informed that the Chino and Fountain Valley store are no longer affiliated. I apologized and told him, that if he was indeed following the law then yes, he was being screwed.

On a side note, I know who David is and he and Amy�s dad sound like exceptional teachers. Many teachers are too lazy or too �educated� to read care sheets, websites, or books on the care of the animals. Many see them as disposable and care provided is minimal. Some simply lack time or desire to care for the animals properly. Did I say all? No...

I also posted on the state of reptiles/turtles/animals and schools. Perhaps I should have made the connections more clearly for you.
1. Many (and more and more) districts in lawsuit prone California do not allow reptiles or any pets in the classroom. I worked for a district that allowed mammals but specifically prohibited reptiles. (The school also banned bicycles and homemade cupcakes, but that is another conversation.)
2. Most teachers I know in Southern California are not allowed to keep turtles in their classrooms.
3. Chino must have a high teacher to turtle ratio.
Of course, the last line is meant to be interpreted with sarcasm. I just find it difficult to believe that since reptile keeping in the classroom is allowed so rarely now that all of those turtles were sold to teachers.
If this guy really wants to do something about it, then he should organize and fight to change the 4-inch law.

Follow Ups:

Well I'm placing my $$ in the BANK coz... Annie Lancaster-TortoiseAid 02/05/01 (0)
Just another opinion... EJ 02/02/01 (12)
- Ha ha Heather 02/02/01 (11)
  - COME ONE, COME ALL....CELEBRITY DEATH MATCH - HEATHER VS. EJ!!! Marissa 02/02/01 (10)
    - Ahhhh Newbieone, You have learned VERY well. n/p EJ 02/02/01 (0)
    - Re: COME ONE, COME ALL....CELEBRITY DEATH MATCH - HEATHER VS. EJ!!! Terry 02/02/01 (2)
      - HA HA - I've got sunscreen and shades, and I'm used to the heat! Bring it! Heather 02/02/01 (1)
        
        Re: Go Heather, Go Heather!!!.................. N/P Terry 02/02/01 (0)
    - hehehe I know it's really the 275 watt flood he's got,here's my bet! n/p Niki 02/02/01 (0)
    - Funny as Hell! Thanks Marissa Patty 02/02/01 (0)
    - (raises hand) Can I go to the bathroom?..lol..n/p Giovanni 02/02/01 (2)
      - NO - YOU SHOULDA GONE AT RECESS!!! Heather 02/02/01 (1)
        
        (((((((cowering))))))))) Giovanni 02/03/01 (0)
    - LOL! And you claim little kids fight! LIARS! Look whosa talking! LOL n/p I�aac 02/02/01 (0)
and I know my first sentence has a typo...n/p Heather 02/01/01 (0)

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: Ed, : I will not make jump down your throat and assume that you are commenting on my teaching style or methods. I am hoping that you wouldn�t assume that an occasional confrontational attitude on lists/posts defines all there is to know about me, especially that of my profession. Adults and children are two different animals, my friend. If you want me to list my methods and explain my philosophy of education, then I will email you off-list. Whilst we are on the subject, here is a review exercise, as my posts were obviously unclear. : Did I post that I thought turtles or animals should never be in the classroom? : Did I say all turtles or animals should be banned? : Did I say that all pet stores were bad? : Did I say teachers should not purchase turtles? Did I say that the 4-inch law is a good one? Did I say more control is better? : Do you know that I don't keep animals in our (not my) classroom? : No. : I posted my confrontational response based on one thing. : I posted that I had visited Prehistoric Pets Fountain Valley. The experience was terrible and the owner saw nothing wrong. : I never returned. I stated that I found it hard to be sympathetic to a store such as that. : I was then informed that the Chino and Fountain Valley store are no longer affiliated. I apologized and told him, that if he was indeed following the law then yes, he was being screwed. : On a side note, I know who David is and he and Amy�s dad sound like exceptional teachers. Many teachers are too lazy or too �educated� to read care sheets, websites, or books on the care of the animals. Many see them as disposable and care provided is minimal. Some simply lack time or desire to care for the animals properly. Did I say all? No... : I also posted on the state of reptiles/turtles/animals and schools. Perhaps I should have made the connections more clearly for you. : 1. Many (and more and more) districts in lawsuit prone California do not allow reptiles or any pets in the classroom. I worked for a district that allowed mammals but specifically prohibited reptiles. (The school also banned bicycles and homemade cupcakes, but that is another conversation.) : 2. Most teachers I know in Southern California are not allowed to keep turtles in their classrooms. : 3. Chino must have a high teacher to turtle ratio. : Of course, the last line is meant to be interpreted with sarcasm. I just find it difficult to believe that since reptile keeping in the classroom is allowed so rarely now that all of those turtles were sold to teachers. : If this guy really wants to do something about it, then he should organize and fight to change the 4-inch law.

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