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Posted by Denis Mosimann (Switzerland) on July 06, 2000 at 01:08:25:
In Reply to: Pet shop or stew pot? Is cities helping? posted by Tom on July 05, 2000 at 16:33:49:
Very large debate...
I can only say that a friend of me was going in China last month and wrote that it's now to late for chinese turtles and tortoises. Less and less of those animals are found in chinese market and of course, China import (legally and illegally) much more animals from other countries and on this animals, many are CITES I!!! Now, it is simple to understand : China wouldn't more export those animals and they would all be eaten by people that are very hungry. What would you do if you have no meal and you find a turtle that is CITES I? I know your answer and for those people, it's the same... And another thing : a Swiss importer that is specialised in Cuora told me China would not give any export paper, but can of course...
And for US laws : you don't know what to do with all your box-turtles babies and no one is exported!!! I search some Terrapene till 5 years and nobody want to export them. And of course Terrapene are CITES II!!! So what's going on with US? We export you more and more Testudo spp. You can have Testudo kleinmanni that nobody can have now here! And for the Pyxis, no tortoise came here in Europe legally!!! So try also to share your mind and think also about what you do for other!
For example : in Europe, some breeders are very good breeders : all the subspecies of Pyxis arachnoides are bred, also Terrapene (and big numbers of coahuila, CITES I!!!), all the Cuorae, Manouria, Homopus, ... I don't think it's the case for your country that import great numbers of animals and in proportion, only few people breed those species...
And another thing for Madagascar : people are very arm there and like in China eat the tortoises that they find!!! If a stranger come into the breeding center for A. radiata and give some money for a baby to an employee, he would get a baby... Last year, in France, the police found boxes with about 350 P. arachnoides and 150 A. radiata from Madagascar (that were imported illegally). This land wanted not to give them away to Madagascar because they would be coming there and then be eaten or re-exported illegally to another country...
Regards
Denis Mosimann
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