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Posted by A. C. Highfield on June 30, 2000 at 16:15:02:

In Reply to: Re: Why is posted by EJ on June 30, 2000 at 12:47:34:

: : : If pyramiding is associated with rapid growth or excessive protein, how do you explain pyramiding in tortoises fed low nutrition diets (iceberg lettuce and such) and are stunted in growth?

: : Very easily.

: And not excessive protein? hmmm. It's kind of neat to have someone agree with me.
: This is what I've been trying to say along with the exception that environmental factors with, of course, other nutritional components playing a major role in addition to the stuff you mention.

1) The causes of "pyramiding" are so well understood, are so easy to demonstrate under repeatable and controlled conditions, and are so straightforward in biology that the only thing that baffles me is why some people insist on attempting to make a big mystery of it.....
2) Excessive protein? Yes. Excessive in the sense that it causes growth that outstrips available calcium.

Excesive protein intakes per se *also* cause kidney damage and have other serious life-threatening consequences in the long-run.

Really, can those people who wish to debate this toic at least acquire some solid grounding in very basic biology and nutritional science before throwing misinterpretations and wacky ideas around? Please?

Andy Highfield

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: : : : If pyramiding is associated with rapid growth or excessive protein, how do you explain pyramiding in tortoises fed low nutrition diets (iceberg lettuce and such) and are stunted in growth? : : : Very easily. : : And not excessive protein? hmmm. It's kind of neat to have someone agree with me. : : This is what I've been trying to say along with the exception that environmental factors with, of course, other nutritional components playing a major role in addition to the stuff you mention. : 1) The causes of "pyramiding" are so well understood, are so easy to demonstrate under repeatable and controlled conditions, and are so straightforward in biology that the only thing that baffles me is why some people insist on attempting to make a big mystery of it..... : 2) Excessive protein? Yes. Excessive in the sense that it causes growth that outstrips available calcium. : Excesive protein intakes per se *also* cause kidney damage and have other serious life-threatening consequences in the long-run. : Really, can those people who wish to debate this toic at least acquire some solid grounding in very basic biology and nutritional science before throwing misinterpretations and wacky ideas around? Please? : Andy Highfield

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