So then I gather that it's very difficult to tell WHICH Madacascarophis you have when you have one. I don't think the seller knew which species these were. But were rather yellow on the bottom and he said he'd had them for a year, so I think they were adults. They were also patterned pretty heavily. They both had nose rubs though. They sound like an awesome snake, I think I'll keep my eyes out for them in the future. Thanks!