Hi, Terry. Sorry it took so long....>

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Posted by Terry Cox on March 29, 2002 at 14:04:27:

In Reply to: Thanks again for your comments . . . .> posted by Terry Parks on March 27, 2002 at 14:52:07:

...to get back to you on this. I'm at a library in Green Valley, south of Tucson, but will be home Sunday. We've been pretty busy with committments. You might want to check my post on the Field Collecting Forum :)

I enjoyed reading your response and understand what you're saying about breeders protecting their stock. If what Rob says is accepted, then having their own ssp. name should excuse Kisatchies from the laws about normal corns.

My main point is that there's a difference if Kisatchies are merely an extension of E. guttata, evolving a different appearance, or if they are the result of intergrading with Emory's rats. You understand I'm just interested in the taxonomy.

At this point I won't speculate on how Kisatchies came about. However, I will say that I believe crosses between Emory's and corns are hybrids, and I think most breeders believe this too, and that it probably doesn't happen in the wild. It is curious that it is so easy to cross them in captivity. That makes them seem like intergrades to some people, or both subspecies of guttata.

Like you've said several times, pick one. It doesn't look like there's going to be any agreement anytime soon among the several camps. I like the new subspecies designation for the Kisatchies. It seems they will be considered a ssp. of guttata. I would like the "intermontana" to be regarded a ssp. of Emory's rat, i.e. E. emoryi intermontana, or whatever. We'll see.

Take care my friend. TC.

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: ...to get back to you on this. I'm at a library in Green Valley, south of Tucson, but will be home Sunday. We've been pretty busy with committments. You might want to check my post on the Field Collecting Forum :) : I enjoyed reading your response and understand what you're saying about breeders protecting their stock. If what Rob says is accepted, then having their own ssp. name should excuse Kisatchies from the laws about normal corns. : My main point is that there's a difference if Kisatchies are merely an extension of E. guttata, evolving a different appearance, or if they are the result of intergrading with Emory's rats. You understand I'm just interested in the taxonomy. : At this point I won't speculate on how Kisatchies came about. However, I will say that I believe crosses between Emory's and corns are hybrids, and I think most breeders believe this too, and that it probably doesn't happen in the wild. It is curious that it is so easy to cross them in captivity. That makes them seem like intergrades to some people, or both subspecies of guttata. : Like you've said several times, pick one. It doesn't look like there's going to be any agreement anytime soon among the several camps. I like the new subspecies designation for the Kisatchies. It seems they will be considered a ssp. of guttata. I would like the "intermontana" to be regarded a ssp. of Emory's rat, i.e. E. emoryi intermontana, or whatever. We'll see. : Take care my friend. TC.

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