Re: Are you suggesting Emoryi as . . . >

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Posted by Terry Cox on March 22, 2002 at 14:04:37:

In Reply to: Are you suggesting Emoryi as . . . > posted by Terry Parks on March 22, 2002 at 12:44:01:

: its own species? It is definately a viable question regarding Texas Corns and Kisatchies possibly being the same ssp. This goes back to what alot of people would love and its probably warranted to have a study done. The realm of Dr. Vaughan's, Dr. Dixon, etc. works on the E.g. guttata and E.g. emoryi if you accept this taxonomy should be followed by studies on Kisatchies and Texas corns. I know Travis and rob have been sending specimens of the Texas corns for bloodwork, etc. and it will be interesting to see or hear the results. I have not seen the type of data and study on kisatchie corns to make the connection with Texas corns, but would love to see it. There are several people who have suggested it and I think its warranted that a study of this type should hapen. So how are your Brazo Island rats doing Terry?

Hi, TP.

Yes, I am suggesting that Emory's ratsnakes might/should be their own species, separate from corns, E. guttata. Why, because I've been brumating on this since last summer, and I haven't found any evidence that any emoryi are crossing with any guttata anywhere. Also, it makes sense because it makes the whole conglomeration of corns and Great Plains rats easier to work with, and because I'm starting to see some major differences bt. the two species since getting the CO emoryi. I know that most of the acedemic world is still using the guttata ssp. framework, but lots of people would like to see them separated into distinct species, including CNAH. It will be very interesting to see the molecular work from the Texas corns and maybe the Kisatchie corns too. It's possible that the TX pop. and the Kisatchie pop. are closely related, even though I don't think they exchange genes. It's also poss. they could be separate ssp. of guttata. I'm thinking and hoping we find that the emoryi in TX don't cross with the E. Texas corns. We'll see.

I don't actually have the Brazos Island ratsnakes in my possession. I will soon, however, have at least one. These would fall within the range of Smith's and Vaughan's Southern Plains ratsnake, E. g. meahllmorum. Since it is a form of Emory's, the species name might someday be more accepted as emoryi.

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: : its own species? It is definately a viable question regarding Texas Corns and Kisatchies possibly being the same ssp. This goes back to what alot of people would love and its probably warranted to have a study done. The realm of Dr. Vaughan's, Dr. Dixon, etc. works on the E.g. guttata and E.g. emoryi if you accept this taxonomy should be followed by studies on Kisatchies and Texas corns. I know Travis and rob have been sending specimens of the Texas corns for bloodwork, etc. and it will be interesting to see or hear the results. I have not seen the type of data and study on kisatchie corns to make the connection with Texas corns, but would love to see it. There are several people who have suggested it and I think its warranted that a study of this type should hapen. So how are your Brazo Island rats doing Terry? : : Hi, TP. : Yes, I am suggesting that Emory's ratsnakes might/should be their own species, separate from corns, E. guttata. Why, because I've been brumating on this since last summer, and I haven't found any evidence that any emoryi are crossing with any guttata anywhere. Also, it makes sense because it makes the whole conglomeration of corns and Great Plains rats easier to work with, and because I'm starting to see some major differences bt. the two species since getting the CO emoryi. I know that most of the acedemic world is still using the guttata ssp. framework, but lots of people would like to see them separated into distinct species, including CNAH. It will be very interesting to see the molecular work from the Texas corns and maybe the Kisatchie corns too. It's possible that the TX pop. and the Kisatchie pop. are closely related, even though I don't think they exchange genes. It's also poss. they could be separate ssp. of guttata. I'm thinking and hoping we find that the emoryi in TX don't cross with the E. Texas corns. We'll see. : I don't actually have the Brazos Island ratsnakes in my possession. I will soon, however, have at least one. These would fall within the range of Smith's and Vaughan's Southern Plains ratsnake, E. g. meahllmorum. Since it is a form of Emory's, the species name might someday be more accepted as emoryi. : TC

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