Re: ratsnakes suffering from mite spray intoxication

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Posted by Pro Products on October 10, 2000 at 20:16:34:

In Reply to: Re: ratsnakes suffering from mite spray intoxication posted by Dan on October 09, 2000 at 01:23:33:

: I think you have a good product and it is about time someone got off the killing the roach mode and made something people could use besides a shoe. Well, I used your product and tried to be gentle when I applied it so as to kill the mites but not pollute the aquarium. That seemed impossible. Too much came out of the can. I took out the plastic plants, wood, chips and sprayed them lightly but although I covered them items well, I felt through 37 years on this earth that this was still going to be a bit toxic to any creature. I aired the items for a few hours and placed them back. I put in my snakes and they were surely rid of any mites and I had not one problem with mites. I then had a problem with their appitite and their barfing. My tree boa did not hold down his food. I later resolved this by not feeding him for three weeks. My carpet python just seemed to behave very different, afraid of pre killed mice and did not eat and when he did he had loose stool. Now I think this is all because the product affected the bacteria level in the snakes stomach. Perhaps later in the week the snakes drank some water that had a bit of residue of the product and that caused it but who really knows but the owners of sick snakes. In any case, I think you have a good product but maybe need a container that spreads it out a bit more diluted. I would also recommend that you instruct people to put their snake in another house for at least a day or so and to not offer water for a week unless it is outside their house. And I know that you have done tests and the product works well with the lab animals and the real world is the real world but if your pet gets sick after a battle with mites, then you have to figure it was the chemical that did it. Even if it did not do it, people are going to figure it did do it. That is the sickness of it all huh.

: Dan

Dan,

Provent-a-mite is used by thousands of people without any adverse effects. The field data collected from customers supports all of our clinical studies. There is nothing in the formula that could cause the feeding responses you describe. When applied as directed, Provent-a-mite binds to the substrate and is not water soluble. If it were ingested, it breaks down primarily into CO2 & H2O. As a matter of fact, in tortoises and lizards, the test groups were observed to eat more and gained weight faster than the control groups. A study underway at the present time at the Univ. of Fl. has again observed this behavior. They are considering a long term continuation to see what if anything is responsible for this, but as obvious at it may seem, we do not know if our product is increasing their appetite. We can't make any conclusions until there is some proof linking the two. We have many breeders that use our product with the animals you describe for as long as 4 years and have never had any feeding problems associated with proper use. The only possible explanation I could pose, and it is not very likely, would be that the animal was allowed to inhale the vapors which killed some internal parasites that inturn released various toxins causing the snake distress. I do not know how the application of Provent-a-mite could make your carpet python become afraid of a pre-killed mouse. When used as directed, Provent-a-mite will eradicate any mite or tick infestations and will not hurt the host.

Bob Pound
Pro Products

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: : I think you have a good product and it is about time someone got off the killing the roach mode and made something people could use besides a shoe. Well, I used your product and tried to be gentle when I applied it so as to kill the mites but not pollute the aquarium. That seemed impossible. Too much came out of the can. I took out the plastic plants, wood, chips and sprayed them lightly but although I covered them items well, I felt through 37 years on this earth that this was still going to be a bit toxic to any creature. I aired the items for a few hours and placed them back. I put in my snakes and they were surely rid of any mites and I had not one problem with mites. I then had a problem with their appitite and their barfing. My tree boa did not hold down his food. I later resolved this by not feeding him for three weeks. My carpet python just seemed to behave very different, afraid of pre killed mice and did not eat and when he did he had loose stool. Now I think this is all because the product affected the bacteria level in the snakes stomach. Perhaps later in the week the snakes drank some water that had a bit of residue of the product and that caused it but who really knows but the owners of sick snakes. In any case, I think you have a good product but maybe need a container that spreads it out a bit more diluted. I would also recommend that you instruct people to put their snake in another house for at least a day or so and to not offer water for a week unless it is outside their house. And I know that you have done tests and the product works well with the lab animals and the real world is the real world but if your pet gets sick after a battle with mites, then you have to figure it was the chemical that did it. Even if it did not do it, people are going to figure it did do it. That is the sickness of it all huh. : : Dan : Dan, : Provent-a-mite is used by thousands of people without any adverse effects. The field data collected from customers supports all of our clinical studies. There is nothing in the formula that could cause the feeding responses you describe. When applied as directed, Provent-a-mite binds to the substrate and is not water soluble. If it were ingested, it breaks down primarily into CO2 & H2O. As a matter of fact, in tortoises and lizards, the test groups were observed to eat more and gained weight faster than the control groups. A study underway at the present time at the Univ. of Fl. has again observed this behavior. They are considering a long term continuation to see what if anything is responsible for this, but as obvious at it may seem, we do not know if our product is increasing their appetite. We can't make any conclusions until there is some proof linking the two. We have many breeders that use our product with the animals you describe for as long as 4 years and have never had any feeding problems associated with proper use. The only possible explanation I could pose, and it is not very likely, would be that the animal was allowed to inhale the vapors which killed some internal parasites that inturn released various toxins causing the snake distress. I do not know how the application of Provent-a-mite could make your carpet python become afraid of a pre-killed mouse. When used as directed, Provent-a-mite will eradicate any mite or tick infestations and will not hurt the host. : Bob Pound : Pro Products

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