Those are excellent choices. It amazes me that when there is a "what is your favorite rat snake" post, there is quite a list of different species and subspecies. There doesn't seem to be a big focus on a particular rat snake. There is something there for each of us. I think mandarina had a slight edge in Old World last time, but it was just an edge. I can't give in to Terry Cox yet. LOL. Good luck Saker.