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Re: Baby Turtles


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Posted by SSCHIND on September 18, 2002 at 22:18:12:

In Reply to: Re: Baby Turtles posted by Mr. D on September 18, 2002 at 01:22:03:

hop on over to the turtle forum and check out the discussion going on there.

:The "4 inch" rule stems from a 70's (?) decision by the Food and Drug Administration in an attempt to halt possible salmonella contamination. You can try giving the local FDA office a call. Local Animal Control maybe able to give you more insight as might your state veterinarian's office. Believe it or not, but be prepared to point out the FDA regulation to the state vet's office... Local Center for Disease Control (CDC) office might also want to know about this as well....

:The fine for this infraction is, I believe, $1,000 per animal although I could be wrong. Personally, I'd make the calls. If the shop is knowingly selling undersized turtles - and I can't imagine that they do NOT know about the FDA reg. - what are the chances that they're also trafficing in other illegal animals ? Granted, it only takes one unscrupulous shop owner to give everyone a bad name but I've seen more than one shop doing just this.

I agree, It is unlikely that they are unaware of the law. However, I don't neccesarily agree with your assement that there is a good chance they are dealing in other illegal animals. Many people feel that the 4" rule is outdated, or just plain stupid (not that this gives them the right to break it) and that the chances of getting caught are slim to none. many even try to hide behind a loophole that allows the sale of baby turtles for education and research purposes. The profits in baby turtles can be astounding, espescially if the shop owner sells the customer everything they need to properly care for the animal. Its one illegal animal that many shop owners feel is worth the risk but after what happened in Streamwood illinois last Sunday they may change their minds

Steve Schindler

:What state are you in?





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