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Posted by Fed up on November 15, 1998 at 22:35:09:
In Reply to: Re: Very Serious Flaws With Proposed Guidelines posted by Ric Blair on November 10, 1998 at 00:54:51:
When the state stops developers from making new homes and strip malls on herp habitat then everybody else will stop collecting whatever the hell they want. Do you get it? It is not going to happen.
: I am glad to hear that there is much e-mail traffic regarding these issues. I find it encouraging that so many people are spending time working on this matter. I seem to have missed the addressing of the subspecies so if you wouldn't mind repeating it for me I would be thankful. I understand that the endangered section can be modified on a state by state basis but I don't think these proposals will make a very positive impression if even limited collection of endangered species is requested. There will be absolutely no support for this from conservation biologists.
: : Dave Beamer
: I think one way to look at this is through use of an example. My friend who is a fish and wildlife officer finds 2 Gila monsters on his sisters property. The whole area is designated for a subdivision. The State issues a permit for someone to go in and collect these animals. Since they cannot be released back into the wild in another island population in the area. And since they are now as you put it biologically dead. Why not issue a permit for these animals to someone that has an interest in them. Let this person breed them, to fulfill other peoples desires, obtain them without coming here and snatching one out of the wild. Here again the idea of pit tagging is a good idea. Since this animal is truly endangered. They already adopt out tortoises, in the same situation. I don't think anyone using common sense wants anyone to go into an area and collect a truly endangered animal. But this should be a good place for this to happen. Or should we just kill them, and as each subdivison gets built, destroy each population? Believe me, the writing is on the wall for these guys. My friend in the fish and game who was called to remove these, could even help fill the permits. The way things are going, in Southern Utah, there would eventually be more in collections than in the wild through captive breeding. Whats wrong with that. Again these are dead animals, right. I think if you look at this sensibly you might be able to figure it out, I did. And I don't even have a biology degree. I do have a common sense degree and I guess thats why I have been successful in business. You have to put things in perspective, and get rid of tunnel vision. Nothing irks people more then seeing the animals get destroyed, and on the other hand saying, but you can't touch that. Ok, lets plow em in then, because you should not have the opportunity to have one.
