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Posted by MXHerper on February 17, 2003 at 11:49:33:
In Reply to: Could this be D.c. orizabensis? (PIC) posted by chrish on February 17, 2003 at 02:00:43:
Did I not post my thoughts on this snake under the Mexican Drymarchon posts last month? I guess I didn't. Anyway, I would say that yes, it is most likely D. c. orizabensis. I'm gonna try and get some more up to date info from some Mexican herpetologists if I can find any that work within that area of Mexico because there seems to basically zero info on this subspecies.
:I've posted this pic here before and wondered about it's subspecific identity. It is from southern Veracruz in the foothills inland from the coastal plain (from the cuota north of Tierra Blanca, Ver). To be honest, I hadn't ever bothered looking into it in any detail (nor had I really stopped to think about how close to Orizaba this animal was found).
:I was just looking at the German site Dean recommends below and reading what little is known about this ssp. Apparently, it is an all dark snake with a white throat (using a Google translation of the site). Seems like a pretty good description of this animal.
:According to Smith and Taylor's Snakes of Mexico (1945), D.c. orizabensis is supposed to range along the coastal foothills of Southern Veracruz, just west of the isthmus.
:Along the coast itself, erebennus and melanurus meet somewhere in northern Veracruz. So according to Smith and Taylor, a snake from this far south in Veracruz would either be melanurus on the coast, or orizabensis inland. This snake doesn't appear to be melanurus in any way (and was found in the foothills inland).
:Could this be what was described as D.c. orizabensis? I can't seem to come to any other conclusion.