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Posted by Doug T on August 17, 2002 at 02:25:17:
In Reply to: Re: They were sold to me as Clelia clelia.....errrr posted by regalringneck on August 16, 2002 at 16:06:45:
except for Dry' fans because they understand the appeal of powerful, beautiful colubrids. That's what Dry's are all about, that's what Mu's are all about.
Rear fanged folks don't get it. Dry guys do.
Sharing the love,
DT
:Douglas my man.... Puuleezzee...FtLoG (for the love of ...)....do we really NEED to discuss such a PRIVATE matter so... publicly....this is a family forum after all & it is the Guardian forum....no one cares.. here nor on the rear fanged forum. Until my neonate...[please dont let anything screw this up...] arrives it really hurts to see anything about these Clelia in print!
:Im saying its much ado about mudsnakes....
:Again for the record.. C. occiputolutea is synonomous w/ C. clelia & lumped, these 2 are the big typical mussuranas :)
:Now the $100 question that I am unable to definitely answer....what does clelia mean (Italian, Portuguese?).
:Mussurana is purportedly a indio-portuguese term used in Brazil & adopted elsewhere; a journeyman level warrior/hunter in one of the major Amazonian groups.
:DT, I'll call you this weekend.
:Enuff already, my bt-cribo is really soaking alot this month...
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::There are a few different subspecies of Clelia: occiputolutea, maculata, rustica, equitoriana, bicolor, errabunda, montana, quimi, scytalina. There may be a new genus involved also, Boiruna.
::Mine are shiny jet black with bright red/pink bellies. The red will probably fade. They had a white band on the neck, but it has faded. They don't sit still for photos so it may take a while to get some good pics up for all to see. As for scale counts, they are too small and active to count anything. They were CB in Argentina but are not necesarily a native subspecies to the area.
::Hopefully I get it figured out before too long.
::DT
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:::In Costa Rica live 2 species of Mussurana:
:::Clelia clelia has 19 scales at midbody, with 2 apical pits;
:::Clelia scytalina has 17 scales at midbody; with no apical pit.
:::Then comes in the south another Species: Clelia equatoriana.
:::And in the same book (The Amphibians and Reptiles of Costa Rica of Jay M.Savage), I've read there are 6 species of Clelia genus !
:::Ruggero
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