Re: NO !! not being done...but I know why...

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Posted by regalringneck on December 23, 2001 at 23:28:54:

In Reply to: NO !! not being done...(at least yet) more... posted by Dean Alessandrini on December 23, 2001 at 11:31:55:

Dean. bully 4 U... to respond (to a Drymarchon post that goes beyond the super-...ah...superficial!)! Having many years experience as a gummnt man...& surprisingly enuff; having actually accomplished a gr8t many things for our wild friends in spite of the bureaucracy...I've learned the true nature of the beast...not the forest guardians mind you, but the gumment beast! Somethings those repugnicans tried to explain to me years ago, but they didnt get it either... These (gumment) institutions by their very nature have evolved to do best by doing nothing beyond "strategic planning"...Therefore to me, its no surprise few if any Indigos have actually been released. Inside the machine...you have to hustle...to make good things happen & alas few want to hustle nowadays. But....I challenge the breeders here & elsewhere to commit to a long range project, Re-introducing healthy Indigos (of known genetic stock) to private habitat (removing the need for gumment involvement!!!) located in the historic range (now extirpated) in palces such as Mississippi, Alabama, S. Carolina & parts of Georgia!!! Indigo.com should continually solicit private landowners for reintroduction efforts.
Dean, I would appreciate a reference to the paper re: those 30 neonates; I smell a very poor experimental design (how could one possibly document 100% mortality in a well designed release???)! Any other indigo field study references would be appreciated too.

Seasons greetings to all, jg

: First let me applaud your sentiments in hoping that that folks are trying to help save the indigo in the wild (some are indeed doind just that)

: It has been determined that releasing baby indigos into the wild is not (at least yet) to be considered.

: back in the 80's, about 30 cb babies were released in a S. GA habitat, with a 100% mortality rate. (They ALL died!)

: Much more research is required pertaining to required habitats, the number of snakes a given area can support, and reliable surveying methods before it will be considered a good idea to release new snakes in the wild.

: I have also had grand visons of saving the indigos by releasing cb babies, but, this just isn't the answer. Saving habitat is the answer.

: I have an article that will be in Reptiles mag in 2002 (looks like maybe April) that will detail recovery efforts in more detail.

: In the mean time...you can contact me if you would lke more info.

: Dean Alessandrini

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: Dean. bully 4 U... to respond (to a Drymarchon post that goes beyond the super-...ah...superficial!)! Having many years experience as a gummnt man...& surprisingly enuff; having actually accomplished a gr8t many things for our wild friends in spite of the bureaucracy...I've learned the true nature of the beast...not the forest guardians mind you, but the gumment beast! Somethings those repugnicans tried to explain to me years ago, but they didnt get it either... These (gumment) institutions by their very nature have evolved to do best by doing nothing beyond "strategic planning"...Therefore to me, its no surprise few if any Indigos have actually been released. Inside the machine...you have to hustle...to make good things happen & alas few want to hustle nowadays. But....I challenge the breeders here & elsewhere to commit to a long range project, Re-introducing healthy Indigos (of known genetic stock) to private habitat (removing the need for gumment involvement!!!) located in the historic range (now extirpated) in palces such as Mississippi, Alabama, S. Carolina & parts of Georgia!!! Indigo.com should continually solicit private landowners for reintroduction efforts. : Dean, I would appreciate a reference to the paper re: those 30 neonates; I smell a very poor experimental design (how could one possibly document 100% mortality in a well designed release???)! Any other indigo field study references would be appreciated too. : Seasons greetings to all, jg : : First let me applaud your sentiments in hoping that that folks are trying to help save the indigo in the wild (some are indeed doind just that) : : It has been determined that releasing baby indigos into the wild is not (at least yet) to be considered. : : back in the 80's, about 30 cb babies were released in a S. GA habitat, with a 100% mortality rate. (They ALL died!) : : Much more research is required pertaining to required habitats, the number of snakes a given area can support, and reliable surveying methods before it will be considered a good idea to release new snakes in the wild. : : I have also had grand visons of saving the indigos by releasing cb babies, but, this just isn't the answer. Saving habitat is the answer. : : I have an article that will be in Reptiles mag in 2002 (looks like maybe April) that will detail recovery efforts in more detail. : : In the mean time...you can contact me if you would lke more info. : : Dean Alessandrini

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