..Excellent point Dean Allesandrini...

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Posted by Fred Albury on October 20, 2001 at 17:51:35:

In Reply to: FLORIDA LAWS IN REG. TO EDUCATIONAL CENTERS... posted by Dean Alessandrini on October 20, 2001 at 08:27:29:

: JU:

: You sound like you may be a zoo or govenment wildlife employee, (?)

: We are aware of why the laws are there. My question is, why is it so difficult for zoos and educational institutions to get a permit to keep a captive born (from another state) e. indigo, instead of only a confiscated snake?

: Education is key in the recovery of the easten indigo, and people (especially Floridians) NEED TO SEE these snakes and become familiar with them. It's my opinion that EVERY respectable zoo, wildlife education center, etc. should have a display with an e. indigo (from a captive born collection). People to to learn what happens when the fragile ecosystem is disrupted and fragmented. They also need to know what these snakes looks like, and that they are harmless.

: Fragmentation issues lead to the snakes being run over (many times on PURPOSE) and people killing LARGE BLACK SNAKES" that end up in their yards.

: The conservation of this animal has been IGNORED for long enough. The regulations ARE NOT helping this snake.

The irony in all this, is that even though the animal is protected in Florida, it's state of origin(Among others) the habitat it hails from is definetly NOT protected, and both houseing tracks and businesses have been built upon some of that property. Again, I find it ironic that Florida breeders, or Zoological institutions within that state who could captive produce these snakes and re-release them into the wild, are not permitted to do so. This reminds me of the San Francisco garter, whos habitat is protected(As small as that is) and the snake itself is protected. Meanwhile Zoos are openly discouraged from captive breeding them or selling ofspring to other Zoological institutions. I have known of a zoo that did breed them and did not know what to do with the excess offspring(There garters for Gods sake, not that hard to captive propagate) Just another examploe of buearocratic red tape benefitting from an animals Endangered status, versus massive captive reproduction which would create much more. My two cents worth/. And Dean, you right, he does sound a lot like a Zoo or Wildlife empoyee. lets all work together for the benefit of this fine snake.

Fred

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