Re: sad day in Mississippi

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Posted by Rob Carmichael on September 07, 2001 at 09:52:31:

In Reply to: sad day in Mississippi posted by Dean Alessandrini on September 06, 2001 at 22:55:10:

That is indeed very sad to hear. I am surprised that the DNR didn't use a bigger start up population for the re-introduction program. While I realize that these snakes needs LOTS of room, it seems as though if they were serious about saving this species they would have started with a larger release group. I am also suprised that no subsequent studies/inventories were done to determine the success of this project. Hopefully, all hope is not gone and they can re-evaluate the potential for re-introduction in a manner that will increase the chances for success.

: I thought many of you Drymarchon fans would be interested in this: I have a friend who recently took a job at the Mississippi Museum of Natural science in Jackson , MS.
: I decided to spend a week vacation down that way and do some snake hunting a few weeks ago. As you may recall, in the '80s there was a re-introduction program in MS by the MS DNR. 10-20 adult snakes were released...but nothing was done to track them, and none had been seen in recent years.

: I was presented with some eggs shells that were recently discovered in Marion Cty, MS, near the release site of some 15 yrs ago. The eggs had been identified (not sure by who) as Indigo eggs, so I was excited to get to see them. Folks...they were NOT indigo snake eggs and appeared to quite obviously be black pine eggs. (Black pines are still holding their own in some areas of S. MS)

: My suggestion was not given much concern at first,(after all, I'm just a "novice" until I sent them some REAL indigo egg shells (from my snakes) and some Black pine eggs (donated by John Ginter)to compare for themselves.

: ...It is all too obvious that I was correct now. (sometimes I hate being right)

:
: to make a long story short, those eggs were pretty much the last hope that indigos still remained in Mississippi. The MS DNR is now considering re-listing them from "endangered" to "extirpated" in Mississippi. Looks like they are gone folks.

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Re: NOT a sad day in Mississippi Terry Vandeventer 09/09/01 (2)
- Makes sense... Dean Alessandrini 09/09/01 (0)
- Re: NOT a sad day in Mississippi Rob Carmichael 09/09/01 (0)

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: That is indeed very sad to hear. I am surprised that the DNR didn't use a bigger start up population for the re-introduction program. While I realize that these snakes needs LOTS of room, it seems as though if they were serious about saving this species they would have started with a larger release group. I am also suprised that no subsequent studies/inventories were done to determine the success of this project. Hopefully, all hope is not gone and they can re-evaluate the potential for re-introduction in a manner that will increase the chances for success. : : I thought many of you Drymarchon fans would be interested in this: I have a friend who recently took a job at the Mississippi Museum of Natural science in Jackson , MS. : : I decided to spend a week vacation down that way and do some snake hunting a few weeks ago. As you may recall, in the '80s there was a re-introduction program in MS by the MS DNR. 10-20 adult snakes were released...but nothing was done to track them, and none had been seen in recent years. : : I was presented with some eggs shells that were recently discovered in Marion Cty, MS, near the release site of some 15 yrs ago. The eggs had been identified (not sure by who) as Indigo eggs, so I was excited to get to see them. Folks...they were NOT indigo snake eggs and appeared to quite obviously be black pine eggs. (Black pines are still holding their own in some areas of S. MS) : : My suggestion was not given much concern at first,(after all, I'm just a "novice" until I sent them some REAL indigo egg shells (from my snakes) and some Black pine eggs (donated by John Ginter)to compare for themselves. : : ...It is all too obvious that I was correct now. (sometimes I hate being right) : : : : to make a long story short, those eggs were pretty much the last hope that indigos still remained in Mississippi. The MS DNR is now considering re-listing them from "endangered" to "extirpated" in Mississippi. Looks like they are gone folks.

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