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Posted by PeeBee on April 22, 2003 at 00:33:29:
In Reply to: Re: PICS Illinois box turtles, need help ID nerodia, posted by goshawk on April 21, 2003 at 17:02:42:
:The water snake looks to be either a yellowbelly or a copperbelly or both. They are both similar subspecies and there is a large aria of intergration in Illinois. The salamander pictured looks like Dark-sided Longtail intergrade. Hopes this helps, Mike
I agree. The snake is definitely a subspecies of erythrogaster, and not a green.