thanx to those of you who have already responded with ideas and happy stories. i found urates yesterday on the floor in the room i expected her to be in, which is a good sign. will hopefully find her soon, true test will come in a couple of weeks when she should be shedding. another question, has anyone tried putting speakers or something else that vibrates on the ground and turning them up so that it causes vibrations that may drive the snake out? if so let me know some of the details and the outcomes you had. thanx again!