Re: Piebald Corn history

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Posted by HDEAN on July 15, 2002 at 08:59:57:

In Reply to: Calico/piebald ruby freckled corn snakes posted by Allan @ Just Snakes on July 14, 2002 at 09:57:26:

: What is the status on these projects? Any one know? Last time I knew Tim Rainwater had a Deformed (kinked) piebald (the one with the white patch around its neck) But Rainwater split...

: Calico Corn snakes had problems, the piebald trait would show it self after about two years after skin blistering and often the snake would die as did the normal colored ones from that blood line.

: Ruby Freckled corn snakes are new, but I know nothing really about them Just some one breed two snow corns together and ended up with some offspring the developed red splotches.

: Just curious on the status of these projects if any one knows

: Any one know

Allen, This is the history of the kinked Piebald corn that Tim Rainwater produced in 1998. This is from emails I have from him and phone conversations with him in 1999.
The Piebald was kinked midbody and that is where the white patch was and not at the neck. As of December 1999 he stated it was still alive.
There were 22 eggs and only 9 were fertile.
Of the 9 , 1 piebald, 1 albino, 1.1 blood red, and 5 normal I believe. If genetic, the siblings would be 66% het for Piebald. He had a friend who wanted one male normal and had 1.1 Blood Reds and 1.1 normals for sale as 66% hets when I emailed him.
The parents were a male Blood Red and a female Anerythristic Corn.
The Blood Red male was from a line of Blood Reds from Love stock.
Obviously, both were het for Blood Red and Albinism since they produced each in the first generation of their breeding.
The Anerythristic female was from a line of wild caught from the Miami area.
Neither LINE had ever produced a piebald before this, according to Tim. This was the first pairing of these 2 snakes, however.
The male Blood Red died during brumation the next year so he only had the one breeding with that female, in 1998.
In 1999 Tim used a male Lavender Corn on this female Anerythristic to try and introduce the piebald gene if it was genetic.
He was selling these babies as het for Lavender and 50% het for Piebald, if it was proven genetic.
A purchaser of 2 pairs of these 1998 possible hets have bred them now. The results so far as I know.
The 1.1 1998 Bloods 66% hets piebald were bred together and produced normals, Blood Reds and Anerythristic Blood Reds in 2001 but no Piebalds. No second clutch.
The 1.1 Normal 66% hets piebald produced normals, an albino and an
anerythristic in 2001. No Piebalds.
No second clutch.
In 2002 the females were bred with the opposite males to see if they are hets. Haven't heard if they have hatched yet.

Since the parents were het for Albino, Anerythristic, Blood Red and maybe Piebald if genetic then what are the odds of a Piebald if genetic?? I don't know. They would be quad het adults. Is it 1 in 64?? .
A side note, several breeders stated when this question came up last year about piebalds that they have hatched piebalds in the past but they died and have never reproduced them again. Don't know if this is true or not and I haven't seen a photo of them. HDEAN

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: : What is the status on these projects? Any one know? Last time I knew Tim Rainwater had a Deformed (kinked) piebald (the one with the white patch around its neck) But Rainwater split... : : Calico Corn snakes had problems, the piebald trait would show it self after about two years after skin blistering and often the snake would die as did the normal colored ones from that blood line. : : Ruby Freckled corn snakes are new, but I know nothing really about them Just some one breed two snow corns together and ended up with some offspring the developed red splotches. : : Just curious on the status of these projects if any one knows : : Any one know : Allen, This is the history of the kinked Piebald corn that Tim Rainwater produced in 1998. This is from emails I have from him and phone conversations with him in 1999. : The Piebald was kinked midbody and that is where the white patch was and not at the neck. As of December 1999 he stated it was still alive. : There were 22 eggs and only 9 were fertile. : Of the 9 , 1 piebald, 1 albino, 1.1 blood red, and 5 normal I believe. If genetic, the siblings would be 66% het for Piebald. He had a friend who wanted one male normal and had 1.1 Blood Reds and 1.1 normals for sale as 66% hets when I emailed him. : The parents were a male Blood Red and a female Anerythristic Corn. : The Blood Red male was from a line of Blood Reds from Love stock. : Obviously, both were het for Blood Red and Albinism since they produced each in the first generation of their breeding. : The Anerythristic female was from a line of wild caught from the Miami area. : Neither LINE had ever produced a piebald before this, according to Tim. This was the first pairing of these 2 snakes, however. : The male Blood Red died during brumation the next year so he only had the one breeding with that female, in 1998. : In 1999 Tim used a male Lavender Corn on this female Anerythristic to try and introduce the piebald gene if it was genetic. : He was selling these babies as het for Lavender and 50% het for Piebald, if it was proven genetic. : A purchaser of 2 pairs of these 1998 possible hets have bred them now. The results so far as I know. : The 1.1 1998 Bloods 66% hets piebald were bred together and produced normals, Blood Reds and Anerythristic Blood Reds in 2001 but no Piebalds. No second clutch. : The 1.1 Normal 66% hets piebald produced normals, an albino and an : anerythristic in 2001. No Piebalds. : No second clutch. : In 2002 the females were bred with the opposite males to see if they are hets. Haven't heard if they have hatched yet. : Since the parents were het for Albino, Anerythristic, Blood Red and maybe Piebald if genetic then what are the odds of a Piebald if genetic?? I don't know. They would be quad het adults. Is it 1 in 64?? . : A side note, several breeders stated when this question came up last year about piebalds that they have hatched piebalds in the past but they died and have never reproduced them again. Don't know if this is true or not and I haven't seen a photo of them. HDEAN

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