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Re: Agreed and I have a question for ya....


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Posted by PeeBee on April 02, 2003 at 22:16:24:

In Reply to: Agreed and I have a question for ya.... posted by Jeremy G on April 02, 2003 at 07:08:16:

:...regarding sayi/affinis from tx. Though as you stated, affinis is now thought to range much more west then orginaly belived, I used to live in White Sands New Mexico and we had pure bulls there. If you have Adubons Feild Guide, the one with the green cover, the pic they have in there of a sayi is identicle to the ones I used to catch. Kinda a moroon/redish tone to the saddles but then again im color blind so the coloration maybe different to anyone with regular eyes:-)

:Just thought I would get your take on this.

:BTW, going off memory which isnt nessasarily a good thing, all seemed as pure sayi with the pinesnake rostral scale and very indistinct neck. I have a pure affinis and a pair of bulls at the moment and the snakes I was catching way back when looked nothing like the little girl Sonoran I have now.

:All the best,
:Jeremy

Jeremy,

That snake in the Audubon book looks like a bull to me. The pattern is kinda of affinis like, but its really tough to differentiate the subspecies by pattern alone, especially the light colored ones. I think affinis generally has a cleaner pattern anteriorly than a sayi. But there's so much variation, especially in sayi, that I'm not that comfortable making the generalization. When in doubt, I check the head, & to me head on the snake in the Audubon book looks like that of a bull snake.


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