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Posted by terryp on March 26, 2003 at 09:09:21:
In Reply to: sonoran gopher next to bull posted by P-RAT on March 25, 2003 at 19:47:03:
Sometimes you can see the differences more evident, but other times they are more subtle. I find it difficult at times to just say it's a sonoran, San Diego, pacific, bullsnake without locality. This is one of those areas where locality in my opinion is used for identification over appearance. I don't see where someone can just say it's an escaped sonoran instead of a sonoran looking pacific gopher. You can go to the Pituophis Page and look at some of the spec. sheets. They will mention the extreme variablilty in color and pattern. They will mention that localty is an identifier. I wish it was more black and white in looking at this species, but it just isn't the case. If you say sonoran, I'm not saying it isn't sonoran. It most likely is, but it can be a bullsnake. Unfortunately, we have to be open on this issue instead of being able to make it black and white. Just my 2 cents. I'm definately open to any further discussion or corrections. BTW - very nice looking snakes P-RAT.
:I don't know if this picture helps ID gopher from bull or not .The liter bigger one is a sonoran gopher the other a bull.the biggest difference I see in these two is that if you look at the back latter pattern the gophers markings are bigger and it almost looks like a line running down the sides connecting the back pattern.I know this is only one example but I hpoe it helps,P-RAT
:Actully this almost looks like sandiego gopher,mabey not a good example