Hey Bill.......Charla here. Question......have you moved any of your babies to the outdoor pen with the adults? I'm considering putting Mira in with the females this summer, but I'm still not sure how they would react to her....?? Poor Mr. Max is still a looney! His shell is not growing but his body is so fat and seems like it's going to pop out of the shell. We are still hand feeding him but I get more and more concerned about his growth. I don't think he's "right". Probably would of never survived this long in the wild. Does anyone else have a "retarded" turtle?